Autonomous public transport has the potential to transform our cities.

One city that is taking the lead in experimenting with autonomous public transport is Paris, under the leadership of James Dick at RATP.

In today’s episode, he tells me just how close he believes they are to delivering autonomous buses out on the road, driverless and at scale.

In Oslo, Christian Willoch and his team at Ruter are using autonomous vehicles to strengthen public transport – not compete with it.

I visit their pilot project, where real passengers are already riding Ruter-branded autonomous vehicles in an outer suburb, and we talk about why public service, not robotaxis, is the future.

I also take a ride – and you can listen in as I give a live commentary from the back seat.