How much of the Bee Network's success is franchising, and how much is just money?

Vernon is candid that franchising is probably not for everybody. But if you want genuine integration across every mode, he argues, you cannot do it without control of the buses and the fare revenue.

This is the first Interchat recorded by Katie English, my Freewheeling associate.

Vernon Everitt is Commissioner for Greater Manchester at a time of transformational change.

On this week’s Freewheeling Podcast, we talk about how much has been done, what’s left to do, why Manchester has been able to move at such pace and whether there are obstacles holding them back.