Johannah Randall has spent a lifetime working with stations.

She led the redevelopment of Kings Cross for GNER, has worked on station planning for both HS2 and the HS2 operator and advised on station design for entirely new railways like Saudi Arabia’s Etihad Rail.

Yet she’s not happy with our direction of travel on stations, if you’ll pardon the pun.

She joins me to describe her concerns.

One of the world’s most expensive railways is being built, but will it actually be useful? The new trains won’t fit into the existing station in Manchester and the railway north of Birmingham has insufficient capacity.

Someone who thinks they know how to fix the mess is Chris Gibb who, amongst many other roles, used to run Virgin West Coast, the very railway that HS2 is designed to replicate.

He describes his plan on this week’s episode.

Rory Sutherland is a global leader in the science of thinking. He reminds the transport industry that people don’t think the way we think they do…